topic Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required in Fibre

Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Tue, 25 Apr 2023 12:02:53 GMT

Hello,

I'd appreciate some help please if at all possible.

Twenty year long talktalk customer, 'upgraded' from Fibre 38 to Fibre 65 September 2022. I received 38 meg download speed before the 'upgrade' and continued to receive exactly 38 meg subsequent to the 'upgrade'. This speed is below the minimum expected for the Fibre 65 contract.

Submitted line test and opened fault on 26/10/2022. Spoke to multiple advisors over the next couple of month and was told the service is fine and no issue with speed, despite being below the minimum expected of 40.2 meg.

Finally got talktalk tier 1 tech support to verbally confirm over the telephone on 07/04/23, that the linespeed is below the minimum standard. Openreach engineer booked for 08/04/23, arrived, checked socket (BT Mk4) and was told internal wiring is fine. Openreach engineer went to the external green cabinet and changed the linespeed to 45 meg (fixed at 45) and said that is the best he could do and left it at that.

Current statistics:

Actual Upstream line rate 13090

Maximum Upstream line rate 13256

Actual Downstream line rate 44523 (fixed at this speed)

Maximum Downstream line rate 63968

Downstream noise safety coefficient 7.2

Downstream noise safety attenuation 15.3

Approx 200 metres from green cabinet.

After 6 months of waiting, I'm grateful for the increase from 38 to 45 meg, however it would appear that a maximum rate of 63968 would indicate that there is still significant room for improvement. I have no interest in upload rate and if it can help, I'm happy for upload rate to be reduced to 5 meg if it helps to increase downstream rate.

Can anybody from talktalk tech support please take a look at these statistics and see if you can do anything to help, much appreciated.

I also require a firmware upgrade for the router. I'm happy with the router and do not require a replacement or upgraded router.

Best regards.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Debbie-TalkTalk — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:58:29 GMT

Hi D59125

I can see that the line is in sync at just under 45mb.

Is the router still at the test socket? Do you leave the router powered up or do you switch it off when not in use?

In regards to the router, are you using a HG633 router?

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 14:30:15 GMT

Hi Debbie, thanks for the reply. I'm in the test socket, I've just tried two new filters and ADSL cables again. You may see that the router lost connection twice in quick succession. I have tried both approaches, leaving the router on for several months at a time and also powering down once or twice every few weeks. I'm aware that leaving the router on is best practice, however I have tried both approaches and the linespeed never climbed above 38 Mb. Since being recalibrated to 45 Mb, I have left the router on, as it is currently interleaved. I have the HG633, 100 Mbps ethernet ports version.

Current statisics:

Actual Upstream line rate 13665

Maximum Upstream line rate 13710

Actual Downstream line rate 44351

Maximum Downstream line rate 64136

Downstream noise safety coefficient 6.9

Downstream noise safety attenuation 15.2

Many thanks.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Debbie-TalkTalk — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 06:14:11 GMT

Hi D59125

Thanks for your reply.

I think we should send a Sagemcom WIFI hub for testing. Would you like me to arrange this?

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:14:22 GMT

Hi Debbie,

Yes, if you suspect that the issue maybe router related, I'm happy to give this a try providing you can clarify the returns policy.

Whilst testing the Sagemcom Hub, I won't need to return the HG633?

If the Sagemcom Hub does not resolve the issue, I will return the Sagemcom Hub to talktalk and continue to use the HG633?

If the Sagemcom Hub does resolve the issue, there won't be any charges applied for a replacement router, and I will need to return the HG633 at that point?

Many thanks.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Debbie-TalkTalk — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:16:04 GMT

Hi D59125

If the Sagemcom hub resolves this fault then please keep this router and return the HG633 router. Will this be ok?

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:54:28 GMT

Hi Debbie,

Yes ofcourse that is fine, finger's crossed.

Many thanks.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Debbie-TalkTalk — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:59:17 GMT

Hi D59125

The router is on its way, please allow 24-48hrs for this to arrive.

Let us know how the connection compares with this router.

Thanks

Debbie

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Mon, 01 May 2023 13:05:30 GMT

Hi Debbie,

I received the Sagemcom router however I'm afraid the line performance was significantly worse using that router. I'm not sure if it was a faulty router, afterall it did work and looked in healthy physical condition. I tested it with the adsl and filter supplied, also with two of my own filters and also via the Openreach Mk4 faceplate and the statistics were similar in all scenario's.

Sagemcom statistics:

Actual Downstream line rate 39063

Maximum Downstream line rate 51073

Downstream noise safety coefficient 12.7

Downstream noise safety attenuation 23.5

Switched back to HG633:

Actual Downstream line rate 44500

Maximum Downstream line rate 64951

Downstream noise safety coefficient 6.9

Downstream noise safety attenuation 15.2

Unless there is any specific reason that requires the Sagemcom router to be used, I will pack it up and return it. Can we push ahead and upgrade the latest firmware on the HG633 so that it fully patched please?

Any other suggestions that might help?

Best regards.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Debbie-TalkTalk — Tue, 02 May 2023 06:05:36 GMT

Hi D59125

Please can you try connecting the new router again? Once the router is connected please can you power it down for a full 30 minutes and then run another speed test once the router has been switched back on?

Let me know when the new router is connected (after the 30 minute power down) and I can check the connection stats.

Thanks

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Tue, 02 May 2023 12:23:11 GMT

Hi Debbie,

Sagemcom router connected as directed.

Current statistics:

Actual Downstream line rate: 40252

Maximum Downstream line rate: 45860

Downstream noise margin: 0.00 - Sagemcom router is not reporting any statistics.

Downstream attenuation 20.9

All round worse performance than HG633 at this point.

Thanks for you assistance.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Debbie-TalkTalk — Tue, 02 May 2023 12:59:23 GMT

Hi D59125

Thank you. I can see that the line is in sync at just over 40mb.

There are re connections on the line and this can affect the sync speed. Would it be ok to leave the new router connected at the test socket for 48hrs (without rebooting) to see if DLM starts to increase the speed?

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Tue, 02 May 2023 13:11:45 GMT

Hi Debbie,

Yes I'll leave it on for 48 hours to see if the sagemcom responds to the DLM.

Thanks for your assistance.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Debbie-TalkTalk — Tue, 02 May 2023 13:42:17 GMT

Hi D59125

Thank you. I will check the connection stats/speed again on Thursday and I will post back on this thread.

Debbie

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Karl-TalkTalk — Thu, 04 May 2023 12:04:33 GMT

DLM is set at 80mb and was last changed on 21st april, so the profile setting is not an issue.

the estimate for your line is 45-50mb, with a minimum of 40mb, so the line is in sync at just under the estimated range,

The line may not be able to achieve more, but the only option to progess from here is for an engineer.

Would you like to arrange this?

Thanks

Karl.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Thu, 04 May 2023 12:42:58 GMT

Hi Karl, thanks for the update.

An Openreach enginner attended an appointment on the 8/4/23 and reconfigured the line from 38 Mb to 46 Mb and stated there was no further action he could take, therefore, I see no reason to pursue an additional appointment.

I appreciate a new router has now been tried, however as we can see from the statistics supplied previously and again today, the HG633 performs significantly better in all aspects, including downstream, upstream, noise and attenuation. Therefore, I shall pack up and return the sagemcom router back to Talktalk in the plastic bag supplied.

Moving forward, I see no reason to continue technical support at this stage. The original fault which was reported on the 26/10/2022, of a linespeed of 38 Mb, was officially rectified on the 8/4/2023 when the openreach engineer recalibrated the linespeed upto 46 Mb on that date, back above the contractual absolute minimum of 40.2 Mb. Currently the linespeed is 44 Mb and therefore above the minimum gurantee and Talktalk now finally fulfill their obligations.

There are two outstanding issues:

1: Can we upgrade the firmware on the HG633, in order to ensure that it is patched and upto date.

2: Are Tech Support able to apply a goodwill credit to my account for the linespeed operating below the minimum guarantee since it was originally reported on the 26/10/2022, and finally acknowledged on the 7/4/23 by Tier 1, then formally resolved on the 8/4/23 by Openreach, or if not, are you able to add full and correct notes to the account and point me in the direction of who is responsible for a goodwill credit? It has taken 6 months from the initial point of opening a fault, with Tier 1 Tech Support, for the 38 Mb linespeed to be acknowledged as below the minimum standard and subsequently corrected, despite multiple conversations over several months, following on from the original fault report on the 26/10/2022. The openreach engineer should also have confirmed his actions in his report on the 8/4/2023.

Best regards.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Karl-TalkTalk — Thu, 04 May 2023 12:52:06 GMT

The HG633 should be on the latest firmware currently.

If you speak with our billing teams they may be able to agree a discount for the speed performance for the life of your current contract.

Thanks

Karl.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Thu, 04 May 2023 13:06:19 GMT

Hi Karl,

The HG633 firmware is currently 1.15t which is old firmware, see attachment. Firmware version 2 is available. Can we push ahead and update the firmware in order to improve security?

Regarding the billing team, can you confirm you can and will add full and correct reference notes to the account, to ensure that after 6 months of waiting, I'm not left with having to argue with a member of the billing team, who may choose to provide obstruction due to a lack of clarity regarding the account notes? If not, can you confirm whose responsibility it is to add full and correct notes to the account and point me in the correct direction?

Many thanks and much obliged for your assistance..

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

Karl-TalkTalk — Thu, 04 May 2023 13:27:20 GMT

Is the HG622 connected and online currently, I'm not showing this online here.

Karl.

Re: Fibre 65 Poor speed help required

D59125 — Thu, 04 May 2023 13:30:36 GMT

Hi Karl,

It's the HG633 and yes I'm online using the original router now. I'll anticipate a disconnection if you manage to complete the upgrade.

Many thanks.