connection stable but periodically sites not reachable bbc netflix facebook etc

[wetshoestring]

Spending too much time talking to 1st level support who can't help. I need technical assistance with routing that just dies.

These outages are happening more frequently and range from 30mins to 2hrs. Connection recovers but repeats. Similar results with netflix facebook, youtube etc

BBC consistently fails at 78.144.1.34 

Can any one help please?

eg  Tue 21 Jan 22:12:48 GMT 2020
d@d-Latitude-E7450:~$ traceroute bbc.co.uk
traceroute to bbc.co.uk (151.101.192.81), 64 hops max
 1   192.168.1.1  0.973ms  0.707ms  1.337ms  
 2   *  89.241.160.1  295.119ms  *  
 3   78.144.1.35  3365.091ms  *  348.325ms  
 4   *  78.144.1.34  783.824ms  *  
 5   *  *  *  
 6   *  *  *  
 7   *  *  *  
 8   *  *  *  
 9   *  *  *  
10   *  *  *  
11   *  *  *  
12   *  *  *  
13   *  *  *  
14   *  *  *  
15   *  *  *

[OCE_Michelle]

Hi wetshoestring,

Can you please update your community profile to include your:

• Name
• Telephone number
• Alternative contact number

We'll then look into this further. Please do not post this information on this thread Once you've updated your profile please post in your topic to confirm it's updated. 

Thanks

[wetshoestring]

Er.. i'm not too happy about supplying this stuff in my profile. So I'll pass. But I hav emore deatail ogf good bad connection info. This is an intermittent fault (always te best) it went bad again yesterday.

Doing a traceroot on bbc gets dropped at 78.144.1.34 whether the connection is good or bad

but doing one on google.co.uk is more informative, now 25/01/2020 21.04
traceroute to google.co.uk (172.217.169.67), 64 hops max
1 192.168.1.1 0.972ms 0.807ms 0.966ms
2 89.241.160.1 23.279ms 24.811ms 24.498ms
3 78.144.1.35 28.940ms 28.651ms 28.078ms
4 78.144.1.34 28.683ms 28.766ms 28.981ms
5 78.144.9.5 35.353ms 34.816ms 35.986ms
6 78.144.4.35 42.592ms 38.023ms 35.592ms
7 74.125.242.65 82.175ms 57.277ms 37.577ms
8 172.253.69.58 38.400ms 38.751ms 37.944ms
9 108.170.246.175 36.601ms 37.001ms 36.623ms
10 172.217.169.67 36.292ms 36.088ms 37.188ms

...Is all good and within band BUT last night it was a different story: 24/01/2020 20.05
traceroute to google.co.uk (172.217.169.35), 64 hops max
1 192.168.1.1 0.248ms 0.225ms 0.160ms
2 * * 89.241.160.1 773.971ms
3 78.144.1.35 2262.732ms * 376.419ms
4 * 78.144.1.34 829.544ms 1664.451ms
5 78.144.9.5 402.055ms 568.274ms 2433.870ms
6 72.14.208.22 2718.875ms 2880.539ms *
7 * * *
8 172.253.66.98 2822.816ms * 187.084ms
9 172.217.169.35 3136.527ms * 307.671ms
d@d-HP-EliteDesk-800-G2-DM-35W:~$ traceroute google.co.uk
traceroute to google.co.uk (172.217.169.35), 64 hops max
1 192.168.1.1 0.317ms 0.218ms 0.167ms
2 89.241.160.1 2529.246ms 2142.009ms 2132.081ms
3 78.144.1.35 2269.535ms 2310.337ms 2415.041ms
4 78.144.1.34 2602.744ms * 487.499ms
5 * 78.144.9.5 135.569ms 1460.677ms
6 78.144.4.35 2654.221ms 2652.356ms 2699.337ms
7 * * *
8 172.253.66.87 2404.418ms 2596.767ms 2656.804ms
9 172.217.169.35 2975.756ms * 163.898ms

Really poor and reply times so slow browsers give up!

Weidly I get a reply from

78.144.1.34 if I trace route google uk but not bbc? huh!? same connection since last night. no hardreset of router, no dropped line. Just works sometimes and not others.

What's going on?

TalkTalk are sending an engineer this Thursday I'm not sure this is necessary as the problem seems to be in the talktalk network some where. I didn't ask for one they just got to the end of the crib sheet where it said 'call engineer'. I did ask to talk to someone who knows something about networking (ping dig traceroute etc) but they declined..

Ho, hum working now but not sure for how long.

Thanks!

[I8this]

@wetshoestring 

You really do need to complete your profile as the OCE  has asked, only the OCE,s and you can see your details, if you want comprehensive support on your problem. When you have filled in the various section remember to scroll down and click the save button.

[wetshoestring]

ok, done, thanks for the reassurance

[I8this]

No problem glad to be of help.

[OCE_Debbie]

Hi wetshoestring

Thanks for updating your Community Profile.

I've checked the connection stats and I can see that the SNR is dropping low and this can affect the performance of the connection.

I have optimised the connection and the SNR has increased. Please let us know how the connection compares following this.

Thanks

Debbie

[wetshoestring]

Debbie,

Thanks for the update. Yip I saw the connection drop about 10.30, WFH today so particularly sensitive to changes. Back at a slightly higher connect speed (thanks for that!) traceroute is more responsive than it was earlier. Ookla is not finding test servers particualrly well however I recognise that is beyond your control and may or may not be related and could easily be an issue at their end. 

It may be wise to cancel engineer visit on Thursday but I'd like to see how it goes for a couple of days? I do realise my line is marginal but Talktalk do seem to squeeze the best out of it.

Thanks for your help. I will go to forum first next time briiliant service!

Cheers,

Wetshoestring 

[OCE_Debbie]

Hi wetshoestring

Thanks for your reply.

Would you like to monitor the connection for 24hrs before cancelling the engineer visit?

Debbie

[wetshoestring]

Debbie,

Hah! switch speed checker to talktalk, I see you use ookla too and it won't connect. Nor other speed checkers, having said that traceroute still good and connection responsive otherwise. Speedcheck does connect (eventually) and showning quite an improvement, Ookla still not answering via talktalk .

Would suggest any other checks?

I'll keep an eye over the next couple of days.

Thanks again.

Wetshoestring

[OCE_Debbie]

Hi wetshoestring

Your line is showing in sync at just under 7mb.

Please let us know tomorrow how the connection has been today/tonight.

Thanks

Debbie

[wetshoestring]

Hello Debbie,

Thanks for your help so far

Line seems ok but I still can't reach ookla test servers across all browsers and on different laptops, when I could before. This is a change in behaviour since the line tweaks. I'll just leave the engineer call jic this actually is a line issue after all.

Thanks in advance.

wetshoestring

[wetshoestring]

Debbie,

Of course having just said that now traceroute is tanking again.

7.10 ok but speedcheck sites not available

7.30 I can't even load bbc and traceroute to google is taking a lonnng time. see traceroute below.

This looks increasingly like a contention issue to me. Have a look at this thread looks very similar: 

d@d-Latitude-E7450:~$ traceroute www.google.co.uk            
traceroute to www.google.co.uk (216.58.198.163), 64 hops max
 1   192.168.1.1  1.893ms  2.744ms  1.996ms  
 2   89.241.160.1  2528.040ms  2574.105ms  2496.031ms  
 3   78.144.1.35  2498.871ms  2279.375ms  2355.448ms  
 4   78.144.1.34  1843.439ms  2457.684ms  2457.997ms  
 5   78.144.9.11  2253.780ms  2160.111ms  2248.530ms  
 6   72.14.208.22  2398.807ms  2061.651ms  2406.351ms  
 7   *  *  *  
 8   216.239.58.220  2451.834ms  2152.317ms  1841.501ms  
 9   74.125.242.82  2252.899ms  2128.640ms  1533.785ms  
10   216.58.198.163  1566.900ms  1120.447ms  1315.879ms  
d@d-Latitude-E7450:~$ traceroute www.google.co.uk
traceroute to www.google.co.uk (216.58.198.163), 64 hops max
 1   192.168.1.1  0.936ms  0.727ms  0.655ms  
 2   89.241.160.1  2024.690ms  2149.928ms  1843.363ms  
 3   78.144.1.35  2150.672ms  2048.093ms  1843.256ms  
 4   78.144.1.34  1945.717ms  2458.448ms  1335.614ms  
 5   78.144.9.11  1019.135ms  1433.715ms  1438.503ms  
 6   78.144.4.35  1247.996ms  1102.466ms  1228.861ms  
 7   *  *  *  
 8   108.170.232.99  1151.016ms  1193.580ms  1237.635ms  
 9   74.125.242.83  1126.513ms  1023.876ms  1228.662ms  
10   216.58.198.163  1412.092ms  1865.238ms  2744.068ms

[wetshoestring]

Debbie,

Apologies lost the ref! Here it is:

https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Product-Archive/Hig-evening-Ping-contention-ratio-Gaming-impossi...

It looks like large chunks of talktalk backbone disappear...

Thanks.

[wetshoestring]

Debbie

...and its back

traceroute now reporting 

2   89.241.160.1  72.778ms  75.473ms  76.117ms

when 15mins ago it was saying 

2   89.241.160.1  2981.909ms  2209.903ms  2067.306ms

lets see what the engineer says. 

Thanks.

[OCE_Chris]

Hi wetshoestring,

Thanks for the information, please let us know how the engineer visit goes tomorrow

Chris

[wetshoestring]

Hello,

TT engineer prompt and very nice, deserved his cup of tea. Checked out the wiring and connection which of course was working just fine when he checked. Reckons as I do we're getting the best we can out of the line. BUT agreed the traceroute stats look pants when they are bad but no obvious physical hardware issues between the router and the exchange.

This leaves the trunk and back bone capacity. It reeks of load balancers not coping and fail overs not failing over but hey it's not my network it's TT's. Line stays up and connected fine (stats back that) it's the routing that falls over traffic just stops or is severely delayed inbetween hops. This looks deep in TT (openreach?) nw.

Having said that no issues since a couple of days ago, will continue to monitor.

Thanks

[OCE_Michelle]

Hi wetshoestring,

Thanks for keeping us updated and please let us know how the connection compares over the weekend 🙂

Thanks

[wetshoestring]

Hello,

Connectrion largely behaing itself but resolutely does not connect to ookla either via web or directly using cli widget: xx's are to cover ip

using vanila config:

d@d-Latitude-E7450:~/Downloads/ookla-speedtest-1.0.0-x86_64-linux$ speedtest-cli
Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
Testing from TalkTalk (xx.xxx.xxx.xx)...
Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
Selecting best server based on ping...
Hosted by Odyssey Systems Limited (Stockton On Tees) [196.93 km]: 1800000.0 ms
Testing download speed................................................................................
Download: 0.00 Mbit/s
Testing upload speed......................................................................................................
Upload: 0.00 Mbit/s

Using specific test server:

Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
Testing from TalkTalk (xx.xxx.xxx.xx)...
Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
Retrieving information for the selected server...
Hosted by Wildcard Networks (Newcastle upon Tyne) [150.60 km]: 1800000.0 ms
Testing download speed................................................................................
Download: 0.00 Mbit/s
Testing upload speed......................................................................................................
Upload: 0.00 Mbit/s

This is consistent with web ie thepings just time out and so does the connection.

Ideas?

Thanks in advance

[wetshoestring]

Hello,

Bah! connection showing dodgy trace routes again which spontaneously recover:

 d@d-Latitude-E7450:~$ traceroute www.google.co.uk
traceroute to www.google.co.uk (216.58.210.35), 64 hops max
 1   *  192.168.1.1  0.701ms  0.735ms  
 2   *  89.241.160.1  243.650ms  *  
 3   78.144.1.35  2564.819ms  2454.278ms  2895.976ms  
 4   *  78.144.1.34  406.504ms  2132.840ms  
 5   78.144.9.27  1682.437ms  1421.857ms  1235.758ms  
 6   78.144.4.35  37.626ms  37.681ms  35.939ms  
 7   108.170.246.129  45.488ms  74.221ms  36.156ms  
 8   216.58.210.35  36.223ms  46.246ms  35.920ms  
d@d-Latitude-E7450:~$ traceroute www.google.co.uk
traceroute to www.google.co.uk (216.58.210.35), 64 hops max
 1   192.168.1.1  1.155ms  0.809ms  0.770ms  
 2   89.241.160.1  24.604ms  24.125ms  25.458ms  
 3   78.144.1.35  29.408ms  29.711ms  29.100ms  
 4   78.144.1.34  29.343ms  30.139ms  29.712ms  
 5   78.144.9.11  36.523ms  36.105ms  36.724ms  
 6   72.14.208.22  35.349ms  36.279ms  35.795ms  
 7   *  *  *  
 8   108.170.232.105  35.300ms  35.613ms  34.723ms  
 9   216.58.210.35  36.100ms  35.342ms  36.322ms

I'd say problem remains. Interestingly enough other test sites work just fine. Ookla consistently fails to load now when it was formerly my go to test site. Any luck with finding an underlying nw issue?

Ta

wetshoesting