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Is anybody using Google Wifi succesfully ?

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SilstonGeezer
Chatterbox

I have a 3 unit Google Wifi system.  Is anybody successfully using Google Wifi with TT fibre broadband ?  I've been unable to, as TT needs PPPoA, but Google Wifi needs PPPoE.  Am I missing something ?

 

Thanks

charlesb224
Wise Owl

Question

 

Are you on Talktalk Business Fibre, or Residential?  If Residential, then it's IPoE, not PPPoA/PPPoE

 

If residential, then you would need to have your TT suppled router (hopefully an HG635) in Bridge mode, then set the Google Router/Wifi to Automatic/DHCP/IPoe mode to pick up the IP address from the WAN

 

Telephone Socket ------ TT Router -----  Google WiFi

 

Instructions on how to set Bridge mode here:  https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Fibre-Broadband/Super-Router-HG635-Configure-for-Your-Own-Router...

SilstonGeezer
Chatterbox
Thanks hugely for your response. Let me clarify that it is TT Residential, and that the TT supplied router is the HG633. I'd been trying to make it work using the Netgear DM200 VDSL modem, but although that configures and works fine wired directly to my iMac, Google Wifi won't connect to it, so I've had to revert to using the HG633 which doesn't provide enough coverage
charlesb224
Wise Owl

https://kb.netgear.com/30773/How-to-set-DM200-into-bridge-modem-only-mode

 

This may help.  Vdsl uses vlan id =101 and 802.1q=2

 

 

KeithFrench
Community Star

You can use your HG633 connected to the line. Disable the WiFi on this router & connect the first node of the mesh to one of the lan ports on the HG633. This is assuming the google mesh is similar in that respect to the TP-Link one.

 

Whilst I have no practical experience of the mesh systems, when up & running I would run a WiFi analyser to see if all nodes use the same WiFi channel in the 2.4GHz band, if they do this may well cause problems.

 

Keith
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charlesb224
Wise Owl

@KeithFrench

 

Keith

 

You know that this will introduce a double NAT.  Fine if the OP doesn't need WAN address on his Google Wifi, but the moment they want to use Voip, DDNS or something that requires WAN address on the router then it is complex.

 

OP already has a Netgear Modem which can be configured into modem/bridge mode (and no... I'm not going to have another debate with you about OSI layers and bridges!)

 

All the OP needs to do with his Google Wifi mesh (Router and multiple WiFI APs) is configure it for DHCP on the WAN connection, then connect to his netgear DM200 - in either Bridged or router mode.  OP under the impression that it's PPPoE/A which TT Fibre is not, it is plain old DHCP WAN IP Allocation.  only ADSL is PPPoE/A

 

His options are to set his DM200 to Router or Modem mode:

Modem/Bridged = WAN IP Passed to Google Wifi

Router = NAT'd address from netgear DHCP pool passed to Google Wifi

 

SilstonGeezer
Chatterbox

Thanks a load for all the input on this.  The key here is what was totally new to me as a network lightweight, and that was that the WAN IP address is obtained from "out there" using DHCP.  Nothing I found in all my searches told me that.

 

I'll set it all up according to this advice, particularly that of Wise Owl and, if it works I'll post a couple of "How to use Google Wifi with TT fibre broadband" for idiots type messages on forums etc.  I can't be unique I'm sure.

 

Thanks again.

KeithFrench
Community Star

There is no need for your attitude, I am only trying to help.

 

The HG633 has been used in this manner with other router's many times. I know it cannot be used in modem mode, but then I am only trying to make the best out of its limitations.

Keith
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SilstonGeezer
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Keith I'm mortified anything I wrote caused offence. I assure you none was intended. All advice is welcome, and I'm constantly in awe of people, like yourself, who take the time out to help others.

Please keep doing it.

Again, apologies.
charlesb224
Wise Owl

I think @KeithFrench@ is directing tha@me

charlesb224
Wise Owl

I think Keith is directing that@me 

 

No offense @KeithFrench

 

Please indicate what you consider attitude.   You and I have disagreed at least twice in the past about modem mode and I was actually making light of that. You chose to see that as attitude, for me it was a light ribbing 

 

No harm or offence intended.   Merry Christmas 🎄 and a happy new year to you.

 

SilstonGeezer
Chatterbox

Thanks to those that contributed to resolving my issue.

 

I'm delighted to say I now have a working Google Wifi mesh network connecting to TalkTalk fibre broadband using a Netgear DM200 VDSL modem.

 

Once I had understood that TT use IPoE, I factory reset the Netgear modem, and allowed the setup wizard to ascertain the type of connection, which it did flawlessly.  Then I factory reset one Google Wifi point, going through a setup as new, which allowed me to select DHCP as the connection method, which immediately picked up the connection via the modem.  Further mesh points were then easily added.

 

If anybody else is using Google Wifi, you might see advice saying you can utilise a router set in bridge only mode.  I've discovered that's true if you're only using one Google Wifi point, however if you're setting up a mesh network, that will not work.  My advice would be to use a built for purpose VDSL modem, such as the Netgear DM200.  If you're still connecting using PPPoA/E then a router set to modem only mode should work.

KeithFrench
Community Star

Hi @SilstonGeezer

 

I am really pleased that you have this working now.

 

Hi @charlesb224

 

I made a quick & simple alternative of using the existing TalkTalk router, when the customer was at the time having difficulty getting the 3rd party modem to work.

 

How did you offend me? It was the way that you then made a long post criticising my suggestion to a totally unnecessary degree.

 

From what I understand you are a TalkTalk employee, well my suggestion of connecting the mesh to the TalkTalk router was broadly in line with what one of your technical specialists, who recently published a blog on this subject suggests is done:-

 

https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Our-Blog/WiFi-Mesh-everything-you-need-to-know-amp-more/ba-p/213...

 

In there he recommends connecting the mesh system to the existing TalkTalk router, but disabling the existing WiFi on that router. All the double NAT stuff that you refer to is down to the router or access point modes of the mesh.

Keith
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charlesb224
Wise Owl

@KeithFrench

 

Please identify the 'Criticism' in my 'long post' :

 

You know that this will introduce a double NAT.  Fine if the OP doesn't need WAN address on his Google Wifi, but the moment they want to use Voip, DDNS or something that requires WAN address on the router then it is complex.

 

OP already has a Netgear Modem which can be configured into modem/bridge mode (and no... I'm not going to have another debate with you about OSI layers and bridges!)

 

There is NO criticism directed at you or your suggested solution in that post.  I just highlighted that you would know it will introduce a double NAT.  You are a little bit sensitive I think - and having seen others postings, I can understand why.  I try my best NOT to upset anyone intentionally - and if unintentionally, I apologise straight away.  In my line of work, it is far too easy to bat emails back and forth when picking up the phone is a far better solution - but is impossible on forums, hence so much misunderstanding and misinterpretations of comments.  

Let me also make it absolutely clear.  I'm not a TalkTalk Employee.  I'm a customer (just like you)

KeithFrench
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OK, but as I said my recommendation was in line with the TalkTalk blog on mesh systems.

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YusufHK
First Timer

Has anyone been able to connect to the latest TalkTalk WiFi Hub amd a Google Mesh network?

 

I have read these posts but may be I am missing the simple instruction process.

 

I would value that help please.

pgc30
Chatterbox

Just setup Google Wifi. Ended up ditching the Huawei HG633 TalkTalk 'Superrouter' and trying to get it to play nice in bridging mode.

 

If your on TT Fibre you just need a modem in front of the Google Wifi Primary point, in my case a good old BT Openreach Fibre modem (Huawei EchoLife HG612) that I acquired from a friendly neighbour, or you can buy one off ebay. Ironically TT, BT and other ISPs provided these before they moved to the all in one router/modem units and I had returned mine to TT some 9 months ago when I got the Superrouter unit.

 

With the modem in place and the green DSL LED on just setup the Google Wifi first/primary point in DHCP mode and it should connect through the modem and acquire its IP address from TT (No PPPoE, account names or passwords needed).

PGC
nrushforth
Chat Champion

Hi

 

Hi I am just about to set this up exactly the same.

 

Any chance you can send me instructions/settings on gettng this working.

 

I have updated the fimrware on the HG612 and I am just about to set up this with Google Wifi.

 

Any screen shots etc would be a great help.

 

Did you just plug in the HG612 etc???

thanks

 

Neal.

pgc30
Chatterbox

I don't have any screen shots from the Google WiFi app, but it really was just as simple as I decribe in my posting above:

 

"With the modem in place and the green DSL LED on just setup the Google Wifi first/primary point in DHCP mode and it should connect through the modem and acquire its IP address from TT (No PPPoE, account names or passwords needed)."

 

I didn't even try and update the firmware on the HG612 Openreach modem, it came from a neighbour's BT fibre setup not even a TT install.

 

I guess step one is to plug the modem in and get the green stable DSL light on. At that point your connection with the TalkTalk fibre backbone in the exchange in done and the Google WiFi primary node/router can just requests its WAM address via DHCP. There are no account names or passwords needed with the TT fibre setup and any PPPoE etc is done via the modem, so ignore those options on the Google WiFi primary node setup just choose the DHCP option. 

 

Hope that helps.

 

Paul

PGC
nrushforth
Chat Champion

Thanks for that. Will give it a shot tomorrow. Any issues I may post back on here for advice. 

 

Ond thing can you set up IP address reservation on Google WIFI?