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When will TalkTalk support IPv6

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jewelie
Wizz Kid

Hi guys

 

I realise this question has been asked a few times before, but I think the last time was over 6 months ago, so I'll ask again....

 

Given that other ISPs are slowly making their plans for IPv6 adoption, and BT has already begun implementing native IPv6, is this something TalkTalk are intending to do in the future?  (As part of future network upgrades?)

 

(I've only now finally got home equipment that'll fully support it .... and I want to play.  LOL.  Years ago I was with Andrews and Arnold, who've supported it for years, but I can't realistically afford  to be with them, unless until I'm bringing in a decent wage!)

 

Julie

x

 

Fred_Sheehan
Philosopher

Before the last of the IPv4 numbers ran out, talk talk applied for, and received from the IANA, another large IP allocation for their network.

 

This give them enough IPv4 addresses to cover all present customers and future projected customers for some years, so no, it will not be implemented anytime soon.

 

IPv6 will work anyway, it is just tunnelled over the IPv4 network and at present this will have little impact on your connection if you want to use IPv6.

 

In a few years as the number of internet connected devices grows exponentially, NAT will make IPv6 tunnelled over IPv4 slow and cumbersome, but we are a few years from that scenario yet I would say.

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jewelie
Wizz Kid
Cool. Thanks Fred. I'd really love to start e playing with IPv6 because I'm a bit clueless on IPv6 and I want to learn. My router does native IPv6 with an IPv6 firewall and 6to4, DS-Lite and 6RD tunneling... Do you know any free/cheap tunnel providers? Would SixXS work? This isn't for serious use, just experimenting!
stoatgobbler
Super Duper Contributor

You're missing the point.

 

IPv4 hosts can't talk to IPv6 ones.

 

IPv6 _can_ talk to IPv4 (gateways and dual stacks)

 

it's all very well having an IPv4 address, but if the site you want to reach is on IPv6 only (and I pointed one such UK site out in 2012), then you're out of luck (I already have this problem talking to certain chinese and american academic network hosts related to my $dayjob, which is one of the reasons I dumped TT for an ISP offering IPv6 - tunnels can only do so much)

 

As time goes by this will become more and more the case - and in all likelihood when it does change, it'll change from "fringe case" to "common" in a period of only a few months - Given the length of time it takes an outfit the size of TT to change it's better that they make the changes before it becomes an emergency disaster priority, with attendant risks of messing things up.

 

They've had several years to sort this and have shown no interest in doing so, so far. I do enjoy yanking the chain of salesdroids when they try to entice me back. Several have said "yes" to the ipv6 question, which would make for an interesting discussion with trading standards if I took the offer (I record all incoming phone calls, so proving it is easy).

 

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content
afanen01
First Timer

Hello, 

 

I don't really care that TalkTalk has enough IPv4 addresses to last forever. I've started making my websites available via IPv6 and I want to be able to test and access them from my home connection. 

I'm going to switch to the first provider that gives me an option to add IPv6 to my home internet service.

 

Regards.

OCE_Mark
Retired

HI All,

 

At present we do not have a projected date for IPv6 to come into use.

 

Cheers


🙂
 

jewelie
Wizz Kid

@afanen01 wrote:

Hello, 

 

I don't really care that TalkTalk has enough IPv4 addresses to last forever. I've started making my websites available via IPv6 and I want to be able to test and access them from my home connection. 

I'm going to switch to the first provider that gives me an option to add IPv6 to my home internet service.

 

Regards.


Unfortunately, money is really tight for me, so I had to give up and move to a cheaper service provider; however, I used to use Andrews and Arnold Ltd (aaisp.net) who are a very well thought of small and specialist ISP, aimed at hobbyists and small businesses who don't need hand-holding on" PEBKAC" issues.  You can speak fluent tech with them to get the service configured and working as you need it.  They also used to offer static IPv4 addresses, and your own domain name by default, but I'm not sure if they still do.  They were one of the first to implement IPv6 across the board.  I think they probably ended up poaching much of the old original Demon Internet crowd, as it is a very similar kind of ISP.  If you can afford the higher monthly costs, and if you need their kind of services, they are absolutely worth it; naturally, I'd still recommend TalkTalk for value-seeking everyday consumers (and actively do so.)

 

Hope this helps, a bit?  I'd love to see IPv6 on TalkTalk too, but unfortunately I imagine the business/network end of TalkTalk (Opal?) aren't likely to change until they absolutely have to, when it'll be a big, expensive and hellish job.

 

Take care

Julie

(Just a happy TalkTalk customer, and happy ex-AAISP customer)

xxx

 

afanen01
First Timer

Hi Jewelie,

 

Thanks. I've looked at A & A, I don't need hand-holding, but they don't appear to have any packages that aren't capped, so they're ruled out for now.

 

Looked at Clara Net, but they told me I can't get IPV6 over ADSL2 (maybe they don't have any ADSL2 routers that also support IPV6), so I need to wait until OpenReach wire up my street, or until I move houses. 

 

I might look into setting up an IP6-IP4 tunnel as an interim solution.

 

Thanks for your response.

stoatgobbler
Super Duper Contributor

For what it's worth ALL the large american ISPs have now implemented IPv6 and it's spreading fast in europe.

 

The UK is the major holdout - "Leaping boldy into the 20th century"

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_deployment says:

 

 March 2014, 448 (92.8%) of the 483 top-level domains (TLDs) in the Internet supported IPv6 to access their domain name servers, and 441 (91.3%) zones contained IPv6 glue records, and approximately 5.7 million domains (3.4%) had IPv6 address records in their zones. Of all networks in the global BGP routing table, 17.4% had IPv6 protocol support.

 

The U.S. government, for example, specified in 2005 that the network backbones of all federal agencies had to be upgraded to IPv6 by June 30, 2008; this was completed before the deadline. The government of People's Republic of China implemented a five-year plan for deployment of IPv6 called the China Next Generation Internet.

 

(This is the reason I need IPv6. $dayjob has a lot of dealing with USA and Chinese agencies.)

 

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content
stoatgobbler
Super Duper Contributor

There are a number of tunneling solutions (paid and free) for the meantime. But they're all regarded as kludges.

 

 

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content
gmlack
Conversation Starter

> In a few years as the number of internet connected devices grows exponentially, NAT will make IPv6 tunnelled over IPv4 slow

 

Won't it (NAT) also make connecting *into* my home systems over the TT IPv4 connexion impossible?  And hence make my TT connexion useless for me?

stoatgobbler
Super Duper Contributor

 

Yes, you're absolutely right:  Carrier-Grade NAT _WILL_ break the ability to connect to IPv4 endusers.

 

It assumes that endusers only make outbound connections. If that's you then all is ok, but "the internet of things" is going to turn that assumption on its head.

 

 

 

 

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content
stoatgobbler
Super Duper Contributor

We're past the knee point. ISPs who haven't adopted IPv6 yet are likely to become also-rans, longer term.

 

http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/comcast-reaches-key-milestone-in-launch-of-ipv6-broadban...

 

http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2014/07/new-world-ipv6-launch-measurements-comcast-ove...

 

Comcast also announced that their IPv6 traffic averages have passed the magic 1Tb/s mark. That's more than was passing on the entire Internet 15 years ago.

 

 

 

 

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content
stoatgobbler
Super Duper Contributor

 

http://v6asns.ripe.net/v/6.csv?s=_ALL;s=GB;s=_RIR_RIPE_NCC;s=_RIR_ARIN;s=DE;s=NL

 

25% of UK network providers are now announcing IPv6 routes.

 

The french, germans and dutch are all doing substiantially better than that.

 

 

 

 

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content
LumKitty
Conversation Starter

Bumping this one.

 

As IPv6 sites grow, it's reaching the point where you could argue that IPv4-only is not full internet access, and therefore the ISP is in breach of contract.

 

Just sayin'

stoatgobbler
Super Duper Contributor

Lumkitty: Please raise this with Ofcom.

 

They've previously stated they will watch the issue and once thresholds are hit, ipv6 will become a necessary part of "full Internet access" 

 

unfortunately they haven't stated what those thresholds are.

 

 

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content
stoatgobbler
Super Duper Contributor

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/30/its_about_time_were_finally_getting_off_ipv4_says_akamai/

 

Global IPv6 traffic is growing, DDoS dying, says Akamai

 

Growth in IPv6 was credited with driving the first ever global quarterly decline in IPv4 addresses, a sign that IPv6 adoption is finally catching on. Available IPv4 addresses are running low, whereas there are oodles of IPv6 address ready to use

 

 

 

 

 

And yet TT is STILL not showing any sign of bringing IPv6 onboard

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content
OCE_Mark
Retired

Hi stoatgobbler,

 

I've asked the question for you for an update on our plans re IPv6

 

Once we know more we will update the thread

 

Cheers


🙂

PLanPLan
Chat Champion

Any news?

 

I was actually told in an online chat that TalkTalk Business products supported IPv6 but I think the person was a bit confused by what IPv6 is. :smileywink:

stoatgobbler
Super Duper Contributor

*nudge* 🙂

 

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content