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When will TalkTalk support IPv6

jewelie
Whizz Kid
Message 154 of 154

Hi guys

 

I realise this question has been asked a few times before, but I think the last time was over 6 months ago, so I'll ask again....

 

Given that other ISPs are slowly making their plans for IPv6 adoption, and BT has already begun implementing native IPv6, is this something TalkTalk are intending to do in the future?  (As part of future network upgrades?)

 

(I've only now finally got home equipment that'll fully support it .... and I want to play.  LOL.  Years ago I was with Andrews and Arnold, who've supported it for years, but I can't realistically afford  to be with them, unless until I'm bringing in a decent wage!)

 

Julie

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Message 101 of 154
If they do carrier grade NAT I'm going to have to look for another ISP as I work from home and sometimes have to use Cisco AnyConnect VPN.
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Message 102 of 154

TT might attempt "carrier grade" nat, which is pretty hateful, but hopefully the bean counters will realise that IPv6 works sufficiently well so as to be cheaper to roll out IPv6 than CGN.

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Message 103 of 154
The yanks ran out of IPv4 addresses last week, so now we really can't afford to be delaying this much longer.
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stoatgobbler
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Message 104 of 154

 

I'm pretty sure that they'll only do it when Ofcom finally rules that selling "Internet" without IPv6 is not "full access"

 

They've been "looking at it" for a couple of years.

 

"OK, now you need to reboot your computer. .... Um, sir, please stop kicking it."
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Message 105 of 154

Am now a TalkTalk customer, as they had a special deal on a phone line install and free broadband for just the price of line rental. Received a Huawei HG633 which seems fine for the 16Mb/s speed we're getting, and it does IPv6, has three modes SLAAC, DHCP and static. 

Out of hope I tried SLAAC and DHCP, nothing.

 

Given that Sky have IPv6, as do Zen, A&A, Fido, and even BT, then surely TT are not far behind???

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Message 106 of 154

 

searched for talktalk ipv6, found this discussion. found useful information 🙂 and a fair bit of misinformation too 😞

 

Surely now that even Zen, a long-time IPv6 hold-out, offer it, and BT also rolling it out too, then TalkTalk must be able to offer it?

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Message 107 of 154

alll the big isp's have long started testing ipv6, 

 

with the greatest respect,  customers are the ones who decide what they want, otherwise they vote with their feet.  by just accepting whatever rubbush we r told you become a paying doormat!,

 

I certainly am not going to acccept a pretend service workaround,  thats not what we pay for.

 

talk talk isnt that competitive anymore, im just so glad i didnt roll over and except their sneaky way of trying to extend my contract when i made a mior adjustment to my service, i stood up for my consumer rights,  i fought them, again,and again and won, the contract was ripped up and im free to levave when i want, youll find they listen yo you then!

 

consumers should know their rights and use them, we r in charge, we pay the wages,

 

Im really shocked you said that 🙂  consumer power works every time 🙂

 

 

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Message 108 of 154

Yep, we can use tunnels as workarounds but native IPv6 should be support by all ISPs. Lets keep nagging! An ISP should at least have some idea what timescale they are aiming for IPv6... the requirement for it, whilst can be ignored for now to some extent...isn't going away.

 

It's not just ISPs not knowing what they are doing with IPv6 though, even software developers are terrible.... I've just got microsoft to accept (in a support ticket) they don't conform to RFC6555 (to aid IPv6 rollout) for their applications like IE and Outlook.

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Message 109 of 154

@afanen01 wrote:

The Nagging accomplishes very little except bother the relevant Community Managers or Tech Support guys. 

The execs who call the shots probably don't even know that this forum exists 😛


 

 

Then, we can email the execs and tell them too.

 

I'm sure you can agree with me that an IPv6 tunnel comes a poor second to native IPv6 in dual-stack. We need to keep demanding it.

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Message 110 of 154

The Nagging accomplishes very little except bother the relevant Community Managers or Tech Support guys. 

The execs who call the shots probably don't even know that this forum exists 😛

 

Only thing you can do is vote with your wallet, but there is currently no ISP that is price-competitive with TalkTalk that offers IPv6. Personally, I migrated away from TalkTalk for another reason, but it wasn't for broadband quality or lack of ipv6--it was because I got tired of incessant mid-contract price hikes). 

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Message 111 of 154

@afanen01 wrote:

TalkTalk as do many UK ISPs don't care enough about migrating to IPv6.


 

 But we shouldn't give up nagging them on threads like this, in my opinon. 🙂

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Message 112 of 154

TalkTalk as do many UK ISPs don't care enough about migrating to IPv6.

 

I ended up setting up an IPv6 tunnel from TunnelBroker.net (free of charge, but you need a router that can be configured to support it). You might want to go the same route.

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Message 113 of 154

I think the question that has been asked should finally receive a conclusive response now.


Enough time has passed for an answer to be offered to customers I would say!


At the least time frame would be a start, then customers could make an informed decision as to whether to move to a different ISP that offers a service they require. Stalling or dodging the subject isn't best practice when in comes to customer retention.


I certainly didn't invest in an expensive router to ignore the long overdue requirements of IPV6, which is an ever increasing need for such equipment to perform at its best.


Seeing as you compare poorly against other ISP's, especially against the quality of your internet service (as evidenced by this thread) and the lack of any decent customer service, (again evidenced here) you'll need something soon to retain your customers that for sure.

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zefal
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Message 114 of 154

Totally agree with you both. I will be raising a TAC with Cisco. Although this is related to an IPv4 issues with split-dns VPNs. If the DNS server is on another subnet and that subnet is told to go down the tunnel then internet breaks for VPN client. I just don't know why it breaks the same with IPv6 DNS server added as our tunnels are set to send IPv4 traffic only.

 

That all said...I still don't see the point in devices giving out Ipv6 addresses unless you have real IPv6 connectivity.

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Message 115 of 154

Yes, it is worth raising this with Cisco since if ULAs are breaking their VPN software they need to fix it.

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LumKitty
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Message 116 of 154

The % is the zone index, which is basically the interface name. On windows it corresponds to the interface number, on linux it would be e.g. %eth0. It's because all link local addresses are in the fe80:: range and so the OS needs a bit of help knowing which interface to use.

 

Also if your VPN setup is failing because a user's LAN has IPv6 enabled then I would suggest the issue is with your VPN software, not with TalkTalk's router. Sure getting local DNS over IPv6 when there is no actual connection is a bit weird but it's a perfectly valid setup.

 

IPv6 on local LANs is going to become increasingly common over the next few years and users with actual working IPv6 setups are going to be unhappy about disabling it on their network just to connect to a VPN.

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Message 117 of 154

You are probably right, I can confirm that the client was not able to router IPv6 globally with that ULA address assigned. It was able to resolve IPv6 addresses though...just unable to router there as expected. Thanks for taking time to discuss this with me.

 

My issue is that with this non-routable ULA configuration it kills internet for split-tunnel and split-dns VPN config (Cisco AnyConnect SSLVPN).

 

So to confirm, TalkTalk still definitely don't hand out IPv6 addresses and the superrouters are handing out ULA addresses when they don't get IPv6 addresses on WAN side...

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Message 118 of 154

Possibly the router hands out ULAs when an IPv6 WAN IP is not available, in an attempt to support IPv6-only clients (a very rare scenario, but you never know). That said, the IPv6 clients still could not route globally, so I agree the decision to use ULAs is somewhat questionable, and it would probably be better for the router just to hand out IPv4 addresses to clients until a WAN IPv6 address was assigned to the router.

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Message 119 of 154

Ah perfect thank you - completely forgot about ULA. Now to work out why the super router is handing those out...

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Message 120 of 154

Oh right. The fd58 IPv6 is a Unique Local Addresses as opposed to a Link-Local Address. They are somewhat equivalent to the usual 192.168.1.0/24 addresses used in IPv4 NAT.

 

The issue is probably that some software attempts to route globally using the Unique Local Address, but it should not attempt to do that.

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