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issue between talktalk and bigpond in Australia

teepeg
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Message 9 of 9

I am unable to send emails or receive them from my daughter in Australia who is with Bigpond.

No errors come up, just nothing happens. I can send and receive to four other accounts (not bigpond). Other providers sending to Australia do not have this problem. Neither talktalk or outlook can solve this for me. Maybe I should just add another account.

Sid

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Message 1 of 9

I'm delighted that mail is flowing once more between TalkTalk and Telstra (bigpond.com).

 

I appreciate your time to liaise with Telstra and let me know the good news. Thank you.

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SH2071
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Message 2 of 9

Very many thanks for your responses thus far. Via TeamViewer, I have access to both ends of this email problem, and can update as follows on your latest investigation suggestions:

1)

the bigpond.com recipient's spam folder is empty of any TalkTalk.net emails. I've checked using both the bigpond.com webmail portal and also the Microsoft Outlook for Office 365 email client.

Further, the specific TalkTalk.net email address is shown in bigpond.com's contacts (both within the web portal and the Microsoft Outlook for Office 365 email client) and so unlikely to trigger a spam rejection, you would hope.

2)

I have sent two Plain Text format messages from TalkTalk.net to bigpond.com. One sent from TalkTalk webmail, the other from Microsoft Outlook for Office 365 email client (in both cases, accessing the UK-based laptop via TeamViewer).

Neither Plain Text message has reached bigpond.com.

3) Via TeamViewer, I have used the UK-based laptop (which is on the TalkTalk network) to login to a Gmail account, and send an email using TalkTalk network/GMail to bigpond.com. It arrived normally (and instantly).

 

By way of background, Telstra's Bigpond email product would fall into the legacy category, and is no longer being offered to new Telstra broadband internet customers (it was previously a freebie). I doubt this legacy webmail product gets much attention from Telstra's IT Support. There's a large old and grey user base (of which I'm one) currently prepared to pay Telstra's higher internet prices, because moving away from bigpond email is a hassle. This problem may be the trigger required for me to make the change.

 

Very much appreciate your assistance.

 

Edit 27/2 5:45pm Australian time

Happy to report that the issue now appears to be resolved.

I spent three hours yesterday with the Telstra Silver Member Support, during which we performed a number of tests together, all of which conclusively demonstrated that there is indeed an issue with this email traffic to Bigpond emails.  

After three hours, the case was escalated to their dedicated Network team.

I have not yet heard back from that team, but this afternoon my time, email traffic appears to be running as it should, based on three test emails that I have sent from my TalkTalk account to Bigpond in Australia.

I suspect that something has been reset at the Telstra end, prompted by my support request. I certainly haven't changed anything on either the sender's or recipient's end. If I were to guess, I would put the blame on over-aggressive spam filters within Telstra, but that's just speculation.

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Grateful thanks for the traceroutes. Yours and mine are identical for the path from Telstra Hong Kong to the inbound bigpond MX servers.

 

This means that the TalkTalk Mail servers can identify where to send the outgoing mail and therefore it gets sent. There's no send error message from TalkTalk as there would be if the DNS records were unavailable. There's no failure in establishing the route to the inbound bigpond mail servers. If bigpond didn't want to accept or couldn't deliver the mail to the destination mailbox then there would normally be a bounceback Mail Delivery Notification by bigpond to TalkTalk of failure to deliver. So, we seem to be looking for either a drop at one of the many mail transfer agents or a silent drop by bigpond (e.g. they think its spam) or delivery into a Spam folder.

 

So the next step involves your recipient and asking them to check their Spam folder for messages and then trying a simple plain text message, no pictures no attachments to try and determine if message size is a problem on this route from TalkTalk to Telstra Melbourne. Does Gmail or other mail work from your TalkTalk network connection to the bigpond address?

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Message 4 of 9

1)

Send Error messages are not being received by the TalkTalk sender. In addition to my testing today, I can identify two emails sent from TalkTalk to Bigpond over the last 10 days, which have never arrived and which have not generated a Send Error message. 10 days feels long enough for a timeout to generate a error message.

 

2) 

The requested TraceRoutes are set out below. One to the extmail.bigpond.com and the other to the IP address you specified:

C:\Windows\System32>tracert extmail.bigpond.com

Tracing route to extmail.bigpond.com [203.42.40.138]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 9 ms 13 ms 10 ms host-92-25-0-1.as13285.net [92.25.0.1]
3 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms host-78-144-0-112.as13285.net [78.144.0.112]
4 10 ms 10 ms 8 ms ae56-scr001.slh.as13285.net [78.144.1.48]
5 10 ms 10 ms 9 ms ae64-scr101.thw.as13285.net [78.144.1.134]
6 11 ms 10 ms 9 ms 195.66.224.177
7 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms i-1008.ulcn-core01.telstraglobal.net [202.84.178.13]
8 151 ms 150 ms 148 ms 202.84.249.9
9 331 ms 293 ms 318 ms i-48.sydo-core04.telstraglobal.net [202.84.247.38]
10 307 ms 291 ms 320 ms bundle-ether4.oxf-gw30.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.13.93]
11 292 ms 289 ms 290 ms bundle-ether3.hay-core30.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.13.132]
12 289 ms 288 ms 290 ms bundle-ether3.cla-core30.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.13.133]
13 290 ms 290 ms 290 ms bundle-ether2.exi-core30.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.13.125]
14 315 ms 291 ms 289 ms bundle-ether1.lon-edge903.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.11.199]
15 287 ms 289 ms 288 ms tel3536276.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.167.214]
16 288 ms 288 ms 287 ms 203.42.40.129
17 289 ms 288 ms 287 ms extmail.bigpond.com [203.42.40.138]

Trace complete.

C:\Windows\System32>
C:\Windows\System32>tracert 203.42.22.10

Tracing route to extmail.bigpond.com [203.42.22.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 10 ms 11 ms 15 ms host-92-25-0-1.as13285.net [92.25.0.1]
3 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms host-78-144-0-112.as13285.net [78.144.0.112]
4 10 ms 8 ms 9 ms ae54-scr101.thw.as13285.net [78.144.1.16]
5 10 ms 12 ms 12 ms 195.66.224.177
6 12 ms 11 ms 10 ms i-1008.ulcn-core01.telstraglobal.net [202.84.178.13]
7 148 ms 151 ms 149 ms 202.84.249.9
8 297 ms 296 ms 296 ms i-48.sydo-core04.telstraglobal.net [202.84.247.38]
9 292 ms 291 ms 290 ms bundle-ether4.oxf-gw30.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.13.93]
10 291 ms 290 ms 291 ms bundle-ether7.hay-core30.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.107]
11 286 ms 288 ms 288 ms bundle-ether3.cla-core30.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.13.133]
12 290 ms 289 ms 290 ms bundle-ether2.exi-core30.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.13.125]
13 290 ms 290 ms 292 ms bundle-ether1.lon-edge903.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.11.199]
14 289 ms 287 ms 289 ms tel3536276.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.167.214]
15 288 ms 288 ms 289 ms 203.42.22.1
16 289 ms 288 ms 287 ms extmail.bigpond.com [203.42.22.10]

Trace complete.

 

Much appreciate your assistance.

 

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Gondola
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Message 5 of 9

Hi teepeg 

 

You've not replied to me.  Do I assume you don't need help because the issue is resolved? Maybe you have a workaround?

 

Another member has hijacked this topic and is giving a slightly different story in so far as they say bigpond mail is received by TalkTalk Mail. Just that sending to bigpond is failing.

 

Suggests there's an issue somewhere between the TalkTalk network and the Telstra network but quite where is unknown so I've asked the new member to run a traceroute to see what path the mail takes outgoing from TalkTalk to the bigpond MX servers. 

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Hi @SH2071 

 

The original topic owner was reporting no mail incoming from bigpond.com but you're saying that incoming mail from bigpond.com is received normally.

 

When your mail is sent there's a DNS lookup of bigpond name servers to find the IP address of the bigpond MX servers that are the delivery destination for your mail.  Those servers are at extmail.bigpond.com at IP address 203.42.22.10 and if the DNS name servers or the MX records cannot be found then you will receive an error message indicating that mail cannot be sent. You've not mentioned any send error message and we need to know if there's a send error message. If there is no send error message then at that point the servers will have sent the message expecting it to be delivered. So we then need to know if there's a mail delivery notification of failure to deliver.

 

Have you tried a ping to extmail.bigpond.com or a tracert (traceroute) to the same address? Just to see if there's a connection fail somewhere en-route inbound to the bigpond MX servers? Run a ping or traceroute.

 

When I do that I see the handover to Telstra Global at Hong Kong and then on to Sydney and Melbourne:

Hop  Address [IP]

10      ms i-1008.ulcn-core01.telstraglobal.net [202.84.178.13]
11       202.84.249.9
12      i-48.sydo-core04.telstraglobal.net [202.84.247.38]
13      bundle-ether4.oxf-gw30.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.13.93]
14      bundle-ether7.hay-core30.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.107]
15      bundle-ether3.cla-core30.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.13.133]
16      bundle-ether2.exi-core30.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.13.125]
17      bundle-ether1.lon-edge903.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.11.199]
18      tel3536276.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.167.214]
19      203.42.22.1
20     extmail.bigpond.com [203.42.22.10]

 

What traceroute do you see? - it may well be different.

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I have the same problem - emails sent from a talktalk.net email do not reach bigpond.com email address in Australia. Normally, this works quite reliably. The problem appears to have started within the last 10 days.

I have tested with a number of recipient email address combinations and also using TalkTalk webmail, and can confidently assert that:

  • emails sent to bigpond.com email address from talktalk.net email address will not arrive
  • this occurs whether sent from TalkTalk webmail or from Microsoft Outlook for Office 365 email client
  • this occurs whether sent in HTML format or plain text
  • other traffic from the talktallk.net email addresses to non-bigpond.com email addresses is normal
  • interestingly, on one of my test emails I sent it to two email addresses - xx@bigpond.com and xx@outlook.com   The presence of the bigpond.com email address was sufficient to stop the email being delivered to its other correspondent xx@outlook.com. If I send a test email only to xx@outlook.com , it arrives normally
  • the talktalk.net email address will receive email from bigpond.com email address as normal. A "reply-to" to a bigpond.com email just received will fail

I don't believe it's a user configuration issue. Rather it feels like a fatal filter within the TalkTalk network logic.

Please investigate and get service back to normal.

Thanks.

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Gondola
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Message 8 of 9

The bigpond.com domain uses Telstra Mail. Sent mail is fully authenticated both ways.

 

What is your TalkTalk Mail email domain? e.g. talktalk.net or tiscali.co.uk or another legacy domain managed by TalkTalk?

 

Are you trying to send just via Outlook? Is this Outlook 365 / Outlook 2016 or another variety of Outlook like Outlook for Windows or Outlook.com mail? Before we check your settings for email software, have you tried using TalkTalk Mail webmail and sending a plain text message - no attachments - just to see if that gets sent ok and hopefully received ok?

 

Select here: Sign in to TalkTalk Mail

Enter your full TalkTalk Mail email address, select Continue and enter the password, select Sign in.

 

 

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