New FTTP and integrating existing phone and hardwired network via gigabit switch

[Keykey]

Hi

I am thinking of changing from Fibre 65 via copper cable inc  hands free phone to Full Fibre 150.

I have my existing router attached to a gigabit switch for my hard wired devices

I understand the eero 6 supplied by Talktalk has one input RJ 45 and one output RJ45 Ethernet connection.

How do I connect the gigabit switch and my phone to the eero router?

The current Router gets everywhere in my 1920 stone  4 bedroom Semidetached. Can I expect the eero to do the same?

Many thanks for your time and expertise?

Best wishes

K

[KeithFrench]

The eero 6 is Wi-Fi 6 with the latest WiFi security mode WPA3 Personal with theoretical link speeds of up to 120Mbps. What is out of date with that? Not all Wi-Fi adapters in your devices might support one or all of these and therefore you might be reduced to WiFi 5 or less with speeds of 867Mbps or less & WPA2 Personal.

If you don't have WiFi adapters in your devices that are capable of WiFi 6E or 7, then they will have no advantage in using anything faster. Even then your home may suffer from large amounts of WiFi interference, which will drastically reduce such speeds. Do not forget these speeds are between the device & router, your internet speeds will still be limited by the 150Mbps of FF150. Unless you transfer huge amounts of data between the very latest WiFi adapters on the market, the eero 6 is still very fast & highly secure.

[Keykey]

Hi Keith

Thanks for that

I have a 5364 at present which leaves me with the Eero option 

My issue with that the Eero 6 came out in 2020 and so is relatively old and I am concerned with privacy and its security settings

I suppose it comes down to priorities and convenience in the end

Cheers

keith

[KeithFrench]

Why do you need an Asus anyway, reading between the lines I would tend to think that you are not sure exactly what a mesh network is. The standard routerwith Full Fibre 150 is the eero 6 and if you also currently have a Sagemcom Fast 5464 (not the 5364), then you have two, much simpler solutions, both of which can be used as a mesh network:-

1. Use the eero 6 & Grandstream DVA and purchase an additional eero 6 (FF150 comes with only one eero 6) to form a mesh network.
2. Use your existing Sagemcom 5464 along with its built-in phone port for Digital Voice  (no Grandstream required). Then purchase a Sagemcom F266 WiFi Booster from TalkTalk. This will form a mesh network with your 5464.

Whilst you are perfectly entitled to buy your own router or mesh network, IMHO I don't see why either of the two solutions above would not meet your requirements.

[Keykey]

Hi Keith

Thanks for that 

I had wondered if I could use the Sagecom 5464 using the green socket for the phone and switch off its WiFi thereby allowing the ASUS to do its mesh WiFi thing?

I am coming from a place of ignorance hence the question

All the best

Keith

[KeithFrench]

I have no experience of Asus routers, therefore I can't answer that. I have no idea if the firewall in an Asus router will block the ports used by the Grandstream DVA. If you choose to use your own router, which you are perfectly entitled to do, that will be down to you to resolve any potential issues with the Asus.

[Keykey]

Thanks

I am ready to upgrade to FTTP and ideally wanting the Asus router and working phone via the DVA

Is it possible?

cheers

k

[ferguson]

@Keykey 

No need to start a new topic, I will merge this with your previous one.

https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Full-Fibre/New-FTTP-and-integrating-existing-phone-and-hardwired...

[Keykey]

Hi

I have been investigating routers and mesh WiFi systems and fancy ASUS RT AX 88u pro over the Eero 

Security , privacy and lack of control are my reasons

I would like to use my Dect phone with a Digital voice adapter with my Talktalk FTTP

The router cannot set the VLAN id to 0.

Is there a solution to this?

Amy suggestions are most welcome

Many thanks 

K

[Keykey]

Hi

I am looking to get a 3rd party router to work as a wired mesh

asus Rt ax88 u pro

How would this work with the grandsteam phone adaptor?

would it plug into the router/ gigabit switch?

All the best

Keith

[KeithFrench]

So long as it is gigabit, that is the main thing. Unless any of your devices require it, there is no need of PoE at all.

[Keykey]

Hi

I have a netgear unmanaged network switch GS 116 uk.

I don’t think it supports poe.

Would that still be OK with the eero mesh and digital voice adapter?

Just checking

Many thanks and best wishes

K

[KeithFrench]

Hi @Keykey 

That is a very difficult question to answer, on the whole, they are broadly similar, but you may need a second eero, as it is supposed to act as a mesh network. WiFi coverage is very much a case of location, location, location. These are the best locations for a router, extender mesh nodes and your devices, but obviously, this is not always practical & a compromise has to be reached.

The general rule is do not keep it in a cupboard, but out in the open and to keep it away from:-

1. Cordless phone (DECT) base stations
2. TVs
3. Loudspeakers & any sub-woofers (including those used with a PC)
4. Computer monitors
5. Electrical appliances – they often transmit their own signals that can interfere with Wi-Fi signals.
6. Bluetooth devices – they operate on the same Wi-Fi frequency as your broadband, which can cause signal problems.
7. Mirrors – they actually reflect Wi-Fi signals, stopping them from passing through walls and reflecting them back into the room.
8. Anything containing large amounts of water – things like fish tanks and boilers can absorb Wi-Fi signals like a sponge.
9. Large metal objects – radiators, for instance, will have the same effect on your Wi-Fi as mirrors. If you have a tower PC case with an internal WiFi card, the metal of the case can block signals to & from the antennae if they are located behind the tower case.
10. Glass - different types of glass can cause problems for Wi-Fi signals to pass through:-

a) Thick window glass or glazing can block Wi-Fi signals.
b) Low-emissivity (Low-E) windows have a metallic film that can reflect and block Wi-Fi signals more than clear glass.
c) Tinted glass often has a metallic film that can interfere with radio signals.
d) K glass double glazing has a metal vapour coating that can reduce Wi-Fi signal strength by 30-50%.

If you are using a USB Wi-Fi adapter, use a USB socket on the front of the PC, as there is more open space around it than at the rear. If a USB extension cable is used, try to ensure that it is fairly short, so that the power from the computer is not attenuated. Long extension cables can cause the adapter to not have enough power from the computer to work correctly.

Where USB or PCIe-connected WiFi adapters are concerned, power management is best disabled if running in Windows to keep a reliable Wi-Fi connection working at full speed. Once you have made the changes outlined below, it is probably best to restart the PC.

Windows Power Management issues. To check this in Windows 10 or 11, open Device Manager and expand Network adapters. Then right-click your WiFi card & select Properties. Next, click on the Power Management tab and untick Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power. If the adapter is connected via USB, then expand the USB section in Device Manager and the same option can be found in the Power Management tab in most Root Hubs and USB Controllers. Untick it in there as well.

[Debbie-TalkTalk]

Thanks for your help and advice @KeithFrench 

[Keykey]

Hi Keith

That was an easy solution!

Thanks

How does the Eero 6 and sagecom routers compare in WiFi power output?

All the best

K

[KeithFrench]

You connect your phone via the Grandstream DVA to your Gigabit switch. Then connect your switch to one of the ports on the eero and connect the other eero port to the ONT. The ports on the eero automatically sense between LAN & WAN, so it does not matter which you use.

As to the eero's WiFi coverage, you will have to see how it compares. It is impossible to predict with Wi-Fi as there are so many factors that affect this.